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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Mar 28, 2013 11:25am
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tinkly keyboards

Charlie is just remastering the Healy Boards...garbage in garbage out, not much he could do about the levels on a 2-track recording, especially when the two instruments in question reside in the same sonic neighborhood...ie multi band compression is not going to help. You can add some Phil or remove some cymbal wash, but you can't really separate the keys from the guitar.

The really satisfying Healy boards are few and far between.

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Poster: Skobud Date: Mar 28, 2013 12:06pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tinkly keyboards

Agreed, good point about the remastering.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 28, 2013 1:01pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tinkly keyboards

It's true that no one can help the levels on the 2-tracks now, it's barely possible to remix them.
Healy was just recording the straight PA mix, which had to balance the house sound, so you're right that if Jerry was loud & Brent not so loud onstage, then we're going to get the reverse on the tapes. Unfortunately! (If only there was a way to mix Brent out...)

So it's not that Healy was intentionally mixing Jerry low, I just don't think he put any effort into what went on tape. (And I figure from that, the band wasn't checking the tapes anymore either.) The earlier SBD recordings were specifically mixed for tape, to be listened to.

One thing Weir constantly complained about was that Healy always lowered his guitar levels in the PA. It may account for the disappearing-Weir effect on many '80s tapes.
Then there's the disappearing-Phil we get around '82...I don't know whether this is a mix thing (& Phil was really loud onstage) or if, like many people say, it reflects Phil's loss of interest around that time.

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Poster: ColdRain108 Date: Mar 28, 2013 2:32pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tinkly keyboards

Re Wier, Again the AUD tapes don't seem to have this problem. I was just listening to an AUD from the '83 Lake Placid show and Bobby is very high in the mix, but not so in the SBD.

So maybe Bobby was listening to the SBDs as there was no way he could hear the PA mix from his seat.

Phil was either in or out in the early 80's. When he was in it was gonna be a good night - all the best early 80's shows have significant Phil contributions. He did start using that huge Meyer sound rig early in the 80's, so maybe his stage volume was an issue as well.

Drums...too much kick drum in one ear or the other, if balanced its survivable, but if one over powers the other it makes me tip over. One of my biggest complaints regarding SBDs...after the consistent lack of Jerry. .

Brent used to play this very high pitched drone behind a lot of the open jamming, this could be missed by many due to high end hearing loss, but I wonder if they used that as a drone the way Indian music uses a drone to keep everybody in key. I can't think of an example off the top of my head right now, but I'll find one and see if you hear what I'm talking about. Its easy to eliminate as it is almost at dog whistle frequency.

I don't complain about Brent as he was most likely told what to play...and it seemed like they wanted something completely different from what they had (Keith)...so he probably was told to use the electronica, I doubt they would have put up with it if they didn't like it. Have any of the surviving members ever bitched about Brent's playing? Or his singing? I've heard complaints about Vince, but not Brent - other than the substance abuse and train wreck personal life.

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Poster: light into ashes Date: Mar 28, 2013 6:02pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tinkly keyboards

Lemieux was saying in his recent chat that there was one '84 show he wanted to release, but the kick drum was just too loud; or another one, Weir couldn't be heard. He said he wants to release a mid-'80s show, but these mix problems make it impossible. (Seems to me he's being pretty picky, though...)

As far as Brent - I don't think they told him what to play, except as far as teaching him song structure. (Like in the '79 rehearsal tape, they go over some parts.)
He said in one interview, "They told me, 'Don't worry about playing anything you've heard before from Keith, that's not what we want; just play what you feel, be yourself, and think of dynamics.' So on some songs I cop the theme of Keith's keyboards, but otherwise I just play my own stuff."

I agree that the band must have liked what Brent added. I don't remember seeing any complaints, far from it.

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Poster: unclejohn52 Date: Mar 28, 2013 1:27pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tinkly keyboards

Not to mention the drums... they sound like sneakers rolling around in the dryer. No presence in the cymbals. So we end up with loud vocals, over-present Brent, and not much else. No wonder I don't listen to much 80s ...

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Poster: Mandojammer Date: Mar 28, 2013 2:07pm
Forum: GratefulDead Subject: Re: tinkly keyboards

uj -

Check out the Cassidy from 4/16. It's funny you mention "no cymbals". I noticed more cymbal, less skin from Mickey and Billy and jotted it down thinking it might be an artifact from the source tape. Funny that you should mention it - I think you will be pleasantly surprised if you give it a shot.

http://archive.org/details/gd84-04-16.neumann.1298.sbeok.shnf

Track something or other..........

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